This is
an old program, but if you didn't watch it you might wish to. The conversation between Moyers and Stewart is fascinating, because it is a
real conversation in the sense that the participants just follow the ideas and respond to each other with a minimum of hedging or guarding or propagandizing. One can actually get somewhere with such a conversation, and that I feel so strongly about this all goes to tell how rare real conversations on television are. For one thing, they take time and that is not usually given to the participants.